We big square everything. Too many think a bale is a bale is a bale. Corn stover can substitute for medium quality mixed hay in a ration for wintering beef cows, if a protein supplement such as dried distillers grains (DDGS) is added. I'll humor you one more time. For stover to be suitable for conversion to biofuel, it must also be kept dry. Doing the calculation C=2pie r using 3' for the r and using 4 wraps per bale it only comes to at the most 20 per roll. We have to have the $11 permit per truck for stacking 2 wide with 56 but not 4x6. Density matters. Viewing a thread - Acres of grass hay per cow - AgTalk The density of round hay bales varies considerably and typically ranges between 9 and 12 pounds per cubic foot (lb./ft3). We pick up fewer bales and have to haul fewer Home. If a typical large bale of corn stover weighs 1,500 pounds (0.75 tons), then the value per ton can be multiplied by 0.75 to arrive at a price per bale. Of course each brand/style baler has a different density. My uncle likes the detach cause the straps are easier to throw. Should have bought a 4x6 since you can always set the monitor to 4x5. The weight of a bale will vary considerably depending on the type of baler used and the dryness of the stover. Thanks Bill for the kind words about my web site and the info you sent. That being said you can get a good idea of your bale weight if you know you max bale weight of you baler. I believe a 5" diameter bale you could haul double stack high but 6' would be overheight for road clearance. For the cost of a detach, go buy a pride of the Prarie or something similar. So an average 4x5 from my baler should weigh (62.8x14.5) 910 pounds. We figure 8 5X6 rolls per ace per year, however, fertilizer and rain can make a big difference. ft. Yeah no kidding. Shouldn't you be figuring cubic (3) feet? The 5 ft. wide by 4 ft. tall had a volume of 65 cu. each is a conservative number. Stuart Don't you see Old has a built in scale on his tractor that weighs those NH 850 bales in at a ton or more. There is no way a chain baler will pack them that tight.Until I see a weight slip I will not believe it. This is true only if you are getting >15.5% CP hay. What is the value to the purchaser, based on feedstuffs replaced by corn stover? PDF How Many Bales of Hay Do I need for the Winter? How Many Small Hay Bales Equals One Large Round Bale? 30 foot straps wont reach over, so they fall off dont ask me how i know this. A 560 will bale up 75in i believe it is. Fair few 4x6 balers, but most are just making 4x5 with them. Occasionally would need to haul further and would stack bales 2 wide-2 high. Any way that makes for a big difference in cost per bale. 648/40=16.2, or 16 small square bales per day. They must contain 35+% moisture. ft. If bales must be transported to the point of sale, that cost should be included, as well. actually i do measure. I guess Olds baler is the only one that will do it and his hay is so good it s all the neighbors critters will eat . Here is the formula to get the cubic feet of a 6' round x 5' long bale. Some research shows that removing stover can actually increase the availability of nitrogen to the succeeding crop. 4x6 baler here. take a 910lb 4x5 roll and didvide it by say a 50lb sq bale and you get 18 just drove side by side with my dads NH round baler and me with my 346 JD square.My squares are 39-44 inches long and about 65-75 lbs.There are 28 of my bales in his Big rounds I asume a 5x6 just drove side by side with my dads NH round baler and me with my 346 JD square.My squares are 39-44 inches long and about 65-75 lbs.There are 28 of my bales in his Big rounds I asume a 5x6 see you can get pretty close with these. I'm sure I could run with no straps but a couple of incidents that have happened over the 15 years I've been hauling them make me like to have a little help back there. If I have to go back and restack all the bales I just cant see where the time savings is. i would like to know on average, how many round bales being a 5x5 will be produced per acre on a 50 acre timothy and Johnson grass field that is limed every 2 years and fertilized about every 5 years. I have a 4x6 baler but only bale to 64"s tall. I learned that the first year I used my NH850 and used first gear and boy did it make some heavy bales so heavy and tight I could not use a bale spike to pick them up and my ford 541 would not pick them up but instead it would lift one or both rear tires off the ground and that was with fluid on the tires and a back blade on with 6-85lbs suit case weights on the blade so those bales had to be up around 2000lbs or more Speed of the tractor when baling plays into it big time. So, take the 141.3 cu/ft x 8 lbs = 1130 lbs per roll. "Here" (Ontario), the vast majority of guys are running 4x5 bales. AT TAMU a half inch of rain may fall in less than 15 minutes. The 5 ft. wide by 4 ft. tall had a volume of 65 cu. The scale never lies. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", Make sure to convert feet and inches into decimel feet also. A 5 foot baler with a standard pickup (not wide) will work just fine. As per the general rule of thumb, a person can get 4 to 5 round bales from one tonne of hay given that round bales weigh 40 to 45 pounds. What, no triple stack yet?Those triple rows look like they could move some serious hay! If you've got 22 1300lb cows that's 28600 lb of cows. But most baler in this area are 5x5. Some auctions report prices on their websites, which can be located by searching on hay auction. Recent auction prices in Iowa for large round bales of corn stover have ranged from $30 to $40 per bale, with some sales as high as $45 per bale. This post was edited by johndeerefan at 07:37:40 08/10/10 3 times. Divide that weitht by your small square bale weights to figure how many sm sq bale per round bale. Circumference of a circle = 2*pi*R =pi*D. Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Round baler size. Tom-TX said: (quoted from post at 10:10:34 07/12/10) If you store the round oudside uncovered figure about a 20-30 percent loss in nutrient value compared to barn-stored sm sq bales. My baler is a Hesston 560 and max bale weight is 2200. So any full size bale 6x5 from a Hesston 560 should atleast weigh 2000. Have been using a 4x5 baler until this year, called the dealership yesterday to start the process of getting a 4*6 for this year. Here is the formula to get the cubic feet of a 6' round x 5' long bale. Equation: Estimated 4 tons per acre yield of 16% moisture hay at $200 per ton = $800 per acre value for all three cuttings; minus buyer's cost of harvest and weather risk at $324 per acre assuming three cuttings (Table 1); equals the buyer's maximum pay price: $476 per acre for three cuttings ($800 - $324 = $476). It literally takes the same amount of time to load a bale, haul a bale, and unload/stack the bale. About $.50 for twine vs. About $3 something for net. Research results vary, but Sawyer (store.extension.iastate.edu/ product/14052), and Darr (store.extension.iastate. The 4 ft. width by 5 ft. tall bales had a volume of 75 cu. }. If we get rain there will be a 2nd cut ~850 lbs/acre. and the bales are 61.5 inches wide by howerver tall you want them. So, if they are good 5x6 bales, you can figure it will take 3 1/2 bales per cow-calf pair for the winter in a normal year---if you dont have grass until the first of jan., add 1 bale per month per cow. "@context":"https://schema.org", In Example 6, that was estimated at $5.89 per bale, so the range of values for negotiating a selling price would be $5.89 to $37.40 per bale harvested. Square bales are more efficient yet, But you'd want a 3x4 bale to be efficient on a flat deck, and it takes a sizable tractor to run that. ft. The larger the bale, the fewer tractor trips back and forth from the field to the hay shed. 210 days at 900 lb/day = 189,000 lb of hay or 95 tons. Then move them to the hay shed or field storage 2 bales at a time with front and rear bale spears. Not trying to be a smarta$$ but you have no idea what your talking about. Yeah that is news to me, I would of thought that they would be the same. Yep, and don't have to strap down..seeing is believing. We do sell some at times , but we also feed considerably less hay than many with 5' wide balers on here. The machinery that handled those bales didn't last long, hard on the hay shredder and baler, very much harder on the loader tractor, especially since the guy who made them figured carrying two at a time on the front loader was a good idea. bales especially round bales can have a large range of weight depending on the size of the bale and the tightness of the bale. How Many Round Bales per Acre Can Be Produced? 5x6 seems to be used mostly out west. Tom, i think i covered that in my original post :) but thanks. Farthest away field is five miles. No rain = no 2nd cut. Many people forget to actually go measure their bales and see what size they are. I think you have to have 35' for 5x6's to haul doubles. So I can then take that and apply it to whatever size bale Im making with my baler. (based upon 8 lbs/cuft density) and the length staying at 5'. All rights reserved. Guys that don't own one won't believe that. more per bale/load, but if you have to haul on any kind of heavily traveled road, 4' are nicer because of staying at 8' wide for a 2-wide load. The field ended up producing a whopping 4.7 bales per acre. "@type": "InteractionCounter", Most loads are 30 miles or less, what works the best? Especially when compared to the Eastern Kansas observation. Won't handle 5x6 bales. Weight (pounds) = width (inches) x height (inches) x length (inches) x .008. "It seems like everybody you talk to is picking 3-bale to 3.5 bale cotton. Just because that bale chamber is that big doesn't mean the bales are. One of my guys dragging 5 bales got pulled over today - by a txdot employee. "@type": "Person", Neighbor did a bunch for me last week, but I've been calling them 5(wide)x6's(diameter), not 6x5's. HERE if we put up 10% CP hay on a 28 day cycle, we are beating all the leaves off the grass. Water is heavy, there is probably less dm in a wet bale but they weigh more. I use a 850 and the only time it rolled out a bale that was a ton the hay was to green to be baling . For every 1 inch of length only added, the hay will gain approx. ft. Hope this helps. 34 on a trailer gets you a full load. Typically baling about 30 bales per hr on 1.5-2 bales per acre . HOW MANY BALES PER ACRE??? - Yesterday's Tractors However, several factors determine the exact outcome. You'll understand then. Last one ended up being a 4x6 because the only two new balers left were a 5x5 or a 4x6. Curious on the number of small squares in the different round sizes. Here in the Banana Belt of Canada, I figure about 6T of DM/acre/year. 30 lbs. I was more than happy to trade for a 4 foot in 1981. Most of the guys around that do a lot of dry stuff run 5*6 balers, and a lot of the custom guys run 4*6 because of the versatility like I am looking for. Neighbor did a bunch for me last week, but I've been calling them 5(wide)x6's(diameter), not 6x5's. We also have to feed fewer bales. I'd take that bet up to 30 miles any day of the week. Our yields were: Timothy hay: 4.8 tons to the acre, Orchard/brome/timothy mixture: 3.25 tons to the acre. We've seen monster yields on some fields where one of our varieties, ST 4288 B2F, harvested 3.5 bales to 4 bales. Now you can sleep. Although rates vary widely, beef cows typically need about 2 acres per cow per month. We have wide roads and farmers can usually haul them without much trouble from the LEOs. Never seen 5x6 hauled 2 wide on top here, but nit many of those balers around here. On the other hand, the value of corn stover to the processor will depend on the costs of operating the plant and the price of substitute feedstocks. I dont haul them far enough to justify screwing around with that many straps anyways. All of this on a farm to market road. 30 lbs. An electronic spreadsheet, Decision Tool A1-70, Corn Stover Pricer, is available to estimate a price for corn stover harvested, unharvested in the field or grazed. About 5x5 3/4. ft. Hope this helps. . "userInteractionCount": 24 So things such as bale size,type of hay,moisture content and what kind of PRESSURE and amount of it will determine weight of a rd bale. PDF Bale Weight: How Important Is It - Texas A&M University 100 bales of hay may be enough for a modest operation, but many hay importers and exporters need more. Would take over 2x as long to load and strap all the bales. PDF Round Bale Calculation The maximum net value to the buyer can be estimated as the feed value ($62.25) minus the cost of harvesting and transporting the bales ($24.85), or $37.40 per bale, as shown in Example 7. If you store the round oudside uncovered figure about a 20-30 percent loss in nutrient value compared to barn-stored sm sq bales. I guess Olds baler is the only one that will do it and his hay is so good it s all the neighbors critters will eat . Okay guys, I will put my engineering skills in on this one. Found it was actually faster, in my situation, just to spear them one time and use the tractor to carry 2 bales at a time from field to shed or row storage. If you have a good stand of alfalfa, good fertility currently, and will topdress removal rates of P & K then you could get by with about 15 acres total of hay baled for the winter. The scale never lies. At 5'6'' a 5 wide bale is only 118 cubic feet, only 5 cubic feet short of a full 4x6 bale When weve actually put our bales on a scale they come out to either side of 1400 lbs. "width": 200, This part of the equation is always changing due to different brand rollers and varying moisture content. I took a couple of bales from our 850 once to town to weigh them and the most they weighed is around 1500 lbs. Okay guys, I will put my engineering skills in on this one. Texas is a perpetual drought broken by periodic flooding. LOL. 4x6 vs 5x6. I like 4' bales for our feeding , but we aren't wanting as much hay fed at a time as others. dont just guess and a hesston 560 can put out a very nice tight bale if you know how to run it. I'm with you! I took a couple of bales from our 850 once to town to weigh them and the most they weighed is around 1500 lbs. 4x5 bales are the best too sale. I keep telling Adam we need to build a 102 inch wide baler that is 6ft---8'6"x72" that way we can just stackem on the semi or trailer and less time bedding or tub grinding-with the machines we have today it would be easy-instead of the barn taking 10 bales of 5x6 we could go 5 bales-maybe marry two 4ft balers together -with 8ft pick up-look at the round cotton bales maybe something like that-I think for corn stalk industry you would have buyers galore-make it one wide belt with no gaps so you don;t lose any alfalfa leaves baling hay and belts would not twist->. Build a hay barn right the first time | Hay and Forage Magazine Most trailers and road laws allow you to haul the 5' wide bales 2 wide and 2 high on a step deck anyways so really it's all about efficiency. 2. My trailer hauls 7 at a time. Take 4 of your 5 ft diameter by 4 ft long bales at random from around your hay field, load on trailer, take to town, and weigh them, divide by 4 to get the ACTUAL weight per round bale. As with any market, though, a price must be determined. Now chain balers wont pack them very tight, We had a couple of NH 850s and they dont make half the bale that a JD Belt baler does. With some kind of legume growing with the grass will increase the overall tonnage. I'll second that. 600-5x6 ft bales per year. This just a really close edjucated guess for bale weight. He wants to make 4x5.5 actually. That particular field was (in 1998) Climax Timothy. "width": 200, Our loader is rated at over 2k lbs so a 1400 pound bale is no big deal for it. [quote="MNfarmer"](quoted from post at 09:00:27 07/11/10) Don"t mean to argue, but when I figured this out awhile back I came up with a couple different figures. Haul three 4 foot bales at a time. Puts you just about a legal load on a 48. Height (diameter) first then width. Just because that bale chamber is that big doesn't mean the bales are. It is not always convenient to weigh large bales, so corn stover is often priced by the bale instead of the ton. It also depends on how many bales you do each year. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. There is no way a chain baler will pack them that tight.Until I see a weight slip I will not believe it. Lighter and easier to handle with a small tractor, transport and more probably more profitable as customers tend to think in terms of $$/bale rather than $$/ton. You will also likely get more dollar per pound with 4 ft wide. I took a couple of bales from our 850 once to town to weigh them and the most they weighed is around 1500 lbs. I would probably sell the 48 ft for $14,500. (based upon 8 lbs/cuft density) and the length staying at 5'. Round Balers 4x6 vs 5x6 | Hay & Forage Forum [/quote Makes sense -- When you increase the width, you are increasing one dimension. You mention square feet? If you have a 500 lbs right in the bucket it is easier to lift than 500lbs hanging 10 feet out from the bucket. Little short.We sell most of our hay. HTH, Dave [quote= MNfarmer ](quoted from post at 09:00:27 07/11/10) Don t mean to argue, but when I figured this out awhile back I came up with a couple different figures. Copyright 1995-document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Also, all hay in the field will not weigh the same due to moisture content. Your formula is wrong,,,circumference= 3.14x radiusx radius. Many people forget that with wide bales there is more weight further out in front of the tractor or skidloader giving the impression of a heavier bale.

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