Lets see who gets caught up in his wake. why is he now pissed that it is missing? he just figured out that Saul or Huell took the ricin cigarette just like they took his pot. a popular medium. totally agreeJesse is enlightened and full of enormous rage and he is scaredhe is scared of himself and realizes he is capable of evil along with the mastermind. Maybe it will be made clearer in one of the five remaining episodes. (RJ Mittes face crumbles so believably upon hearing the news. He poisoned Brock with Lily of the Valley and planted the ricin in the vacuum. While also searching his pockets he finds a pack of cigarettes which triggers the realization about what actually happened with the ricin cig. I found all of your guys posts, thinking to myself I cant be the only one who remembers that Brock wasnt poisoned by ricinand Jesses mind was put to ease after Walt n him found the ricin smoke in the roombot vacuum, (which Walt planted) so I looked up my theory n found you guys, im glad to know im not alone in wondering WTF. There is no other option. At that, Walt gathers his things and his wife and leaves, sliding a DVD toward his brother-in-law as he goes. How could Jesse possibly have the clairvoyance to know that Walt used this random berry on Brock? Hes very clearly not being driven by logic, hes being driven by pure anger. Ya no doubt. Exact compound doesnt matter. Saul also admitted to taking the ricin but it wasn't used at all to poison Brock so why is everyone acting like WW used it? Jesse thinks it was Walt, but Walt convinces Jesse it was Gus. Is it my imagination, or did Saul just confess to Jesse that he did help Walt poison Brock? The news articles, Tweets, and blog posts do not represent IMDb's opinions nor can we guarantee that the reporting therein is completely factual. but after reading the comments i get it. Ricin is made from castor beans. I completely agree with most insane episode! Jesse doesn't think that Walter poisoned Brock with the ricin, I don't think anyone is acting like he did use it cause he obviously didn't- but that's not the point. Better Call Saul's Most Difficult Scenes To Film Revealed By Rhea Seehorn: "I Don't Know If I Can Pull This Off", Interview with the Vampire Season 2: Release Date, Cast, Episode Count & Everything Else You Need To Know, Jon Hamm's Don Draper Gets Stunning Watercolor-Esque Rendition In Mad Men Art. So I just finished Breaking Bad this week and was confused by the whole ricin/lilly of the valley contradiction. If it turns out that Jesse and Saul are mistaken about Walt and the ricin, so what? I was trying to say this earlier but you did a better job. Yes, but if Walt convinced Jesse that Gus had taken the ricin, than why didnt Jesse automatically assume it was Walt when he found out that Brock wasnt poisoned with ricin, he was poisoned by the flower. Except that Walt and Saul did poison Brock with Lilly of the valley so I am not sure I understand how the line doesnt fit. Breaking Bad: How Walt Actually Poisoned Brock, https://dailyresearchplot.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/new-sam. I do think its messy writing or something that could be revealed later. How was it possible for him to deconstruct Walt's entire complicated scheme based on missing marijuana alone? Will you let me help you? This is clear now because Jesse has just come to realize that Walt had the ricin cig lifted in an attempt to frame Gus. Yes, the recording we see him make earlier is a confession but its a fake one that claims Hank is a meth kingpin (!) He has become too much of a liability/loose canon. So sad for Jesse. Theres only one thing I can think of that justifies him putting all of this together, and it relies on some things that I dont remember for sure. When the true poisoning agent is revealed (Lily) Jesse realizes it was not Gus. ), I wanted to go to the police, but I was frightened, Walt says, selling himself as a victim. Hopefully it all gets explained, otherwise it will be a never ending curious itch I have to scratch. He needed Jesse to keep cooking with him. When Walt initially convinced Jesse that Gus has taken the ricing cigarette, uhmm..how would Gus have known that Jesse had ricin hidden inside of one of his many cigarettes? They made it that Jesse finds out this way because he had already put it together back in season 4 and in the end, he was right. You guys seem to forget that Gustavo was a member of the board of directors at the hospital. As it turns out, Walter had indeed poisoned Brock, using the berries of a plant called Lily of the Valley, in an attempt to turn Jesse against Gus. Its ricin, not resin. But remember the state of mind that Jesses been in all season. Hes standin there and figures out all 3 of them were in in it? And why would WW admit to poisoning Brock when there's no proof if it (since ricin wasn't used)? The less we hear of that moron, the better. Walt took it and hid it. WebWalt uses lilly of the valley only for one reason, make sure that once Brock's diagnose is revealed, there's no way Jesse could have switched his mind to blame him because "kids Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA Enterprise and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. Jesse felt such pain and guilt over having almost killing his father figure that it is difficult to imagine him suddenly abstracting to the nth degree and conclude; Oh I get itit was the old switcharoo that allowed my almost son to get poisoned by my father figure! Sorry Vince but that is a stretch that even Mr. Armstrong would have difficulty achieving. At Jesse's house, Walt planted the fake one in the Roomba, then pretended to discover it and showed it to Jesse before disposing of it. Walts soft-voiced and avuncular, tossing in a (completely fake) good-natured chuckle and shake of the head. 7: BOTTOM LINE: JESSE NOW KNOWS THAT WALT POISONED BROCK. When Walt poisoned Brock, his plan was that Jesse would come to his house and he would work him and they would plan and kill Gus all this happening before the doctors tell Jesse that it wasnt actually ricin poisoning as Jesse had initially thought and so putting Gus off the hook. Also, I believe there is mention at some point of the fact that the Lilly poisoning had the potential to be lethal which Walt was fully aware of. Its too much of a stretch to go from I lost the ricin to Huell lifted the ricin and Walter made me think it was Gus. Saulprobably unknowinglydelivered the poison (cand? The real one is taped to the back of his wall outlet plate next to his bed. It turned out this wasn't the case, They showed the excuse me to highlight that. It was revealed that brock was not poisoned with ricin but with a Of course not. How did Jesse deduce that the ricin cigarette was also pinched by him for Walt? I guess the connection was clear in the writers minds (they have been living with the story for the past five years and know it better than any of us ever will), but they just werent quite able to convey the link to their audiences in a plausible manner. It doesnt add up right away, atleast it didnt for me Hence finding this post. The incident took place in season 4 of the AMC hit series but the truth didn't come out until the following year. Jesse figuring out Walt poisoned Brock. Phew. For me Jesse figuring out that Walt had gotten Saul to steal the Ricin from him so that he would think Gus had stolen it to poison However, Walt goes ahead anyway deciding it is worth the risk to defeat Gus and regain control of Jesse. He wasn't too smart or too schooled, but his intelligence was amazing. Jesse lost it then found it. Walter and Jesse know Gus is not above killing children, after the death of Andrea's younger brother, Toms Cantillo, and Jesse ultimately decides that Walter is innocent. Walter steals the ricin > Jesse blames Walter > Walter convinces Jesse it was Gus > Turns out it was Lily of the Valley > Walter/Jesse look for the ricin because Jesse lost it > They find the ricin in the vacuum making Jesse think he last it. (Jesse would eventually learn the truth.) So yeah, I think I can accept the jump of logic here. I must agree. Jesse was made to believe that he had dropped the ricin somewhere in his messy house PLUS the doctor told him it wasnt even ricin that poisoned Brock, rather the poisonous plant (seemingly confirmed when we see the plant in Walts back yard at the end of season 4). A whole lifetime ahead of you with a chance to hit the reset button. (Side note: Though the likelihood of Jesse having a happy ending under an assumed name is about as likely as my parents story that our poodle Muffin went to live on a big farm when I was a kid, I cant help but hope that maybe the former punk will eek his way out of this and get better. He opened the pack and saw the joints weren't there and realized that the ricin was lifted the same way. I dont care about the ricinthat is not the point. And it doesnt matter how Brock was poisoned. The way I see it, the fact that Jesse lost the ricin weighed pretty heavily on him (as shown in the beginning of Season 5). The 25 Best Binge-Worthy TV Shows (& Where To Watch Them), Better Call Saul Star Rhea Seehorn is Open to Revisiting Kim Wexler Role, Cast Of East New York: Where You've Seen The Actors Before, The Last House on the Left Blu-ray Review (Arrow Video), 8 Breaking Bad Questions Better Call Saul Answered. I was thinking along the same lines and you summed it up perfectly for him to just make the connection like that is quite far fetched and the way he was frantically looking for his weeks to build up the scene..jesse is such a mess if his weed wasnt there he wouldnt have cared or just thought he dropped it. Its getting to be a running gag, at this point. I just watched BB for the first time and agree with the OP. Just that he clearly did. Suppose it was easy for him to figure out that the pot was stolen by Huell. I agree. i remember reading that he got Saul to sneak the poison into Brocks juice box! I mean, it's not impossible that it could've played out that way in a real-life situation, but it was just really forced. This was mentioned to Jesse by none other than the doctors, or Brocks mom, whoever, at the hospital. Makes sense; fresh guac makes everything a little better. lily of the valley; it seems like the writers might have forgotten the prior episode. that was when he made the connection. Did Walter Poison Brock in Breaking Bad? - We Got This Covered Although I havent explained all of it you (the readers that are having a hard time figuring out why the ricin and lily complex is not working so well) can understand that it actually is perfect from A to Z and it follows the amazing intelligence and attention evolution of Jesse through all the episodes under the tension of lies and deceits perpetrated by Walt. I was really wondering where the hell their infant daughter was! Comments are monitored, so dont forkin' curse and dont bore us with how much your coworkers sister-in-law makes per hour. Anyone else with me?). Breaking Bad: Walt poisoned Brock (1/3): Jesse realizes Saul isnt dumb, hed know if Walt told him to give the kid a berry that it wasnt just a delicious snack. Jesse has never been particularly logical or rational. For me, the revelation of Jesse finally catching on to all of Walts evil-doings is as important (if not more so) as how the story ends and I didnt like how forced it felt tonight. The bump is when a pickpocket makes the lift. And Walt sealed up the lie by helping Jesse find the capsule in his house, now replaced with table salt instead of ricin, Walt keeping the real poison for himself (in the light socket). This has been by far the best explanation as to how Jesse comes to his conclusion. If the reason he realizes it is because Huell takes his weed, why doesnt he realize it until later when taking out his pack of cigarettes?? That is, Jesse realizes that Walt conspired with Saul to lift the cig to frame Gus for Brocks poisoning. Walt sits nervously in the backyard, spinning a gun on the table that keeps pointing at him, but takes note when it points at a potted plant. I did not see in any of the other comments that the weed was IN the cigarette box. Also remember, the ricin is still in the outlet, almost a year later. I dont understand the ricen thing at all. Saul reveals that Gus took Walter to the desert and threatened his family, a revelation by which Jesse is taken aback. Also at this time hes having negative thoughts about Walt playing him this whole time so he surmises that Walt was also playing him into thinking Gus took the cig when in fact Walt had Saul take it off Jesse and also have Saul give Brock some Lily of the Valley. In the season 5 episode Confessions Jesse realises that Saul and Huell took his ricin cigerette on the orders of Walt (Jesse finds this out by threatening them with a gun) which causes him to also realise that Walter was behind the whole false story of Gus poisoning Brock when it had been him all along. How did Jesse find out Walt poisoned Brock? - YouTube Heres the only way it makes sense to me, if he knows thats the same pack of cigarettes and he realizes that, because they found the ricin in the roomba. Probably during a final showdown with Walt. Most people were wrong. Vince Gilligan has always said they made up their own backstory that Walt gave the poison to Brock. Jesse realizes that it was Huel because Jesse kept his joints in his cigarette pack. The White family is also brought to the Schrader household for protection, but Walter White convinces Skyler White to let him stay behind at their own house, ready to face the consequences of his actions. If Im tracking this correctly, one simple incorrect sentence in a very emotional scene (Aaron Pauls eyes were about to pop out of his skull in this scene) could really damage the most important plot arc of the entire series. End Times (Breaking Bad Ricin gone should also = the cigarrette gone. Ok, but how did Jesse figure that out by looking at his cigarettes? [6] Kelley Dixon was also nominated for the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Single-Camera Picture Editing For A Drama Series for this episode.[7]. I dont think Walt liked Jesse getting close to the girlfriend and her son. Wow Mr. Gilligan you are one rockin writer. It wasnt audio problems. 6. (Bonus points, Cranston, for the way you delivered I guess you call it a hit as though Walt had never, ever considered uttering such a phrase. Not sure how this can unfold, but it will be the ultimate end to their relationship, and probably the end of one of them. The realization that the ricin cigarette could have been lifted from him, and that Walt would have had to have a hand in that, was all the convincing Jesse needed to prove that Walt had a hand in Brocks poisoning. As I recall, Jesse guessed that Huell may have taken the ricen cigarette from him when he first accused Walt of poisoning Brock. So now thats out there. Jesse understands that the ricin was taken by Walt in a plot to poison Brock and implicate Gus, what do you mean they find the ricin in the vacuum making Jesse think he last it. Walt decided to put himself at risk with this play to make Jesse believe in him, psychologic play, putting himself at point blank range of Jesses gun willingly to prove his innocence. But again, Id have to rewatch because so much was happening. Heres a summary. Breaking Bad Episode 511: What Just Happened? - Forbes In which case, there's no reason for him to make any connection between the missing dope and the ricin cigarette, since he already knows what "happened to it". We all know that Walt survives. But Walt in yet another skillful manipulation embraces Jesse instead. Juice Box? The main point is not about the ricin, it wasn't used on Brock and Jesse knows it, the point was that the missing ricin cigarette was used as a pawn to manipulate Jesse- Walt DID poison Brock with Lily of The Valley to back up his story whic is something he admits to after being backed up into a corner. I have no problem with this part, I can see why he'd make the connection. Jesse only knows that Walt did poison Brock. Jesse discovers that the ricin cigarette, which he kept handy to poison Gus, is missing and concludes that Brock somehow ingested the ricin. Walt convinced him that noway his pocket was picked making walt a liar and the killer. Am I the only one whos a bit annoyed at how many people are confused with the whole Did Walt poison Brock with ricin or Lily plant thing. This was clearly a study of Jesse and his need for some kind of love, caring and respect..coupled with monumental mistrust, guilt and rage. Its been everything. I dont think it was much of a leap, at least not of thinking, but like an epiphany. I agree and maybe its because we KNOW that Brock wasnt poisoned with ricin but instead the Lily of the Valley. Its like a bad game of Clue. Jesse and Walt, Jr. are the only characters worth caring about anymore, and perhaps Hank. The older men eat it up like a breakfast burrito, then the talk eventually turns to Todd running Lyds lab. Breaking Bad: How Walt Actually Poisoned Brock - IMDb In fact, it was a really, really big deal. every single prediction I ever made was wrong. He poisoned Brock and you you helped him! (Side note: I thought Id feel good when that bit of deception finally came to light; instead, I just feel more scared for Jesse than ever before. The ricin/lily of the valley play was to put Jesse on Walts side again. And he doesnt even know the half of it. WebAnswer (1 of 7): Lily of the Valley is a lot easier to get your hands on than ricin, it wouldn't be surprising that someone as resourceful and knowledgeable as Walt could find and And then theres that OMG scene and that other OMG scene Its a rough one. Exactly my thought about the poisoning of Brock. Jesse didnt have it in his possession after that point. Also, has he worn that hoodie at all since season 4? Well, Huell stole the ricin pack the exact same way as he stole the pot. Now, in the comicon panel it is revealed walt had the berries crushed and put into his juice bozx at school. Im lost. When Jesse hit Saul, why was he accusing him of switching out his ricing cigarette yet he had previously found said cigarette in his house. Hes not thinking straight any more, could explode at any time etc etc. Its actually quite beautiful, how incredibly franched up this entire thing is. When I take the above into account, when he looks at the cigarette pack he doesnt put it together he just knows hes been played for Walts ends. I think Jesses logic is that Walt had to have something to do with poisoning Brock. Soon, he and Skyler are meeting Hank and Marie at the taqueria. But Brock recovered because he was poisoned with Lily of the Valley. Walt convinces Jesse that Gus has poisoned Brock with ricin. Knowing that the most believable lies have kernels of truth, Walt weaves actual events into his narrative, but changes the context to suit his needs. I think this was a perfect method of executing Jesses enlightenment. still great tho. The opened pack of cigerettes looks very similiar to the pack that held the missing ricin. WebWalter claims that Gus must have planned Brock's poisoning and framed Walter for it in order to manipulate Jesse into killing him; the cameras around the lab probably spotted the cigarette, and Tyrus must have taken it out of Jesse's locker, tracked down Brock, and poisoned him. WebWalt sneaks ricin out of Jesse's cigarette. Walter claims that Gus must have planned Brock's poisoning and framed Walter for it in order to manipulate Jesse into killing him; the cameras around the lab probably spotted the cigarette, and Tyrus must have taken it out of Jesse's locker, tracked down Brock, and poisoned him. But just as a car is about to whisk him off to his new life, Jesse realizes that Saul had Huell pickpocket some weed out of his pockets. The result couldnt be other than him finding out the truth in seconds once the clue was in front of his eyes (or missing from his pocket).

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